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Boy, 15, Killed in Bed by Stray Bullet in New Jersey -

News Type: Event — Seeded on Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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"A 15-year-old boy asleep in his bed was fatally shot Thursday by a bullet fired from an apartment below.
Police said a single round from a military-style semiautomatic rifle pierced the floor of the teen's room and struck him in the head. He was pronounced dead at nearby University Hospital."

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"olice were trying to corroborate his story and claims by neighbors that he got the gun for protection after being robbed multiple times. But McCarthy called it "absurd" that someone would use such a high-powered weapon for self-defense.

"If somebody wanted a weapon for protection, this is not the gun — I'm sorry," McCarthy said. "I just can't accept that as an excuse."

He said the weapon is capable of piercing concrete.

"We're seeing Russian soldiers invading Georgia with these kinds of guns on their backs," McCarthy said."

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    Reply#1 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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    JordanG

    It's very sad when things like this happen.

    That said, you cannot blame the gun for an accident like this. It's just a hunk of metal and wood. The article calls the gun a "military style semiautomatic rifle." Please keep in mind that military rifles use exactly the same ammunition as hunting rifles. The fact that the gun is painted black doesn't make it more deadly. You can buy semi-automatic hunting rifles (while the magazine is usually smaller, the function is basically exactly the same.) Almost any rifle round is capable of piercing some amount of concrete.
    This tragedy was caused by the negligence of the OWNER, not the scary "military gun."

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    #1.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2944692,"authorDomain":"jordang"}
    JordanG

    Also, for something like this to happen, you have to violate every gun safety rule. He bought his gun on the street and probably didn't know a damn thing about how to use it.

    I teach the gun safety rules just about every chance I get, in the hope that it'll come in handy if someone who doesn't know how to use a gun ever runs into one. So, here are the rules (as I teach them, anyway. Different people teach them differently.):
    #1 - Never place your finger on the trigger - or in the trigger guard - unless you're ready to shoot.

    #2 - Always assume the gun is loaded.
    When you pick up a gun, check to see if its loaded. Then check it again.
    Any gun you haven't personally unloaded should be treated as if it were loaded.

    #3 - Never allow the gun to point at anything you're not willing to destroy,
    Always know that if the gun were to fire at any moment, that it would not destroy anything you'd miss. This rule still applies to unloaded firearms Even if a gun is unloaded, you don't point it at people, pets, anything you don't want a hole to be in a millisecond from now. Sure, I do dry-fire exercises at the TV. I need a new TV anyway. :P
    Which leads us to rule #4...

    #4 - Always be aware of your target, and what's beyond it. I can do dry-fire exercises at my TV because I know that because I have a basement apartment behind the TV is a brick wall, and immediately beyond that is several tons of dirt. I never allow a firearm to point upwards towards other people's apartments until I've triple-checked that it's unloaded, and field-stripped it to the point that it is mechanically incapable of firing. When I load and unload, I aim at the tv with that nice brick wall and tons of dirt backstop.

    Rule #1 and 2 guarantee that you'll never fire a gun accidentally, Rule 3 and 4 guarantee that if you do, in fact, manage to fire the gun accidentally, you'll never harm anything important. If everyone followed the rules, tragedies like this simply wouldn't happen.

    So, he broke the rules. He put his finger on the trigger while "fiddling around" with his gun. When he did so, he didn't bother to insure the gun was unloaded. When you combine those two, you have a possibility for the gun to go off. He didn't pay attention to where he was pointing it, or much more important in this case, what was beyond it. And when you combine those two, you have the possibility that someone you don't intent to harm, will be harmed.

    So, which do you think is more achievable? Getting every gun off the street, or teaching everyone how to ensure a negligent discharge will harm anyone?

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    #1.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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    I ,myself, advocate gun-control. Not outlawing guns, but controlling the guns that are out there. I believe if more safety courses were required, there would be less gun accidents. However, those laws (and courses) would apply to purchase of guns-and most (or a very high percentage, anyway) of guns on the streeet, are not legally purchased weapons
    Your rules are good ones-perhaps we could get groups or schools to print out these rules, and give them to educate every child in the schools-even those that don't have guns. Schools should require gun-safety classes, even for younger children-for we know that guns too often end up in the hands of 7 and 8 year olds. If more children are educated on gun-safety, this may help cut down on senseless deaths, and the child will grow into an educated adult.
    So lets try and educate the younger children. also, with intelligent logical rules of gun-safety; rules such as yours, which wouldn't tax anyones brain to learn-short, to the point, common sense.

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      Reply#2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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      JordanG

      GRRR. Missed the reply button. This is in response to patsym546 in #2.

      The only problem I have with "controlling the guns that are out there" is that it is essentially impossible. The classic example is the war on drugs. Its illegal to buy or sell heroin, but people still do, constantly. The job is even harder for firearms, since they ARE legal to own if you jump through the hoops to do buy it legally.

      Teaching kids how to handle firearms is a great idea. In order to teach them how to do so properly takes too much time to be done in school, but parents certainly could. Mostly teaching the "real" gun rules to kids is difficult because few of them have the dicipline to follow them without lots of practice. preferably with real (unloaded) guns. I love to take kids shooting once they've mastered the safety rules... A lot of people forget that one of the many reasons to own a firearm is that they're fun!
      Even if people don't teach their kids how to safely and properly handle firearms, they should teach them the "kid's gun safety rule" which is: Stop. Don't touch. Leave the area. Get an adult..

      I think one of the problems with kids encountering firearms is that they're so common in movies and TV that they don't really have any understanding of what could happen if the kid points a gun at his friend. I think a trip to the range and a few exploded watermelons hammers the lesson home, and provides an oppertunity to demonstrate the safety rules in a safe, controlled environment.

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      Reply#3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
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      patsym546

      I agreer proper gun training probably isn't possible through the schools. Responsible parents can teach their children gun safety, and how to shoot. But responsible parents are not the parents if most of the kids on the streets with guns. I still think your 4 rules are concise and to the point. They could be printed on cards, and passed out in school. Teachers could review the information with their class, and once a month do a refresher course. Those rules, standing by themselves, contain enough information to possibly save many young children. I agree also, teaching children to leave when a gun comes out, and get a parent. It is what I taught my children, and in one case, probably saved my sons life. But todays kids are far more likely to pick up and play with the gun. I would love to see your rules printed up and passed out to school-age kids.-if they do pick up the gun, maybe they will do it more safely.

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